The Conferences, Conference 4
The Carnal Man and the Natural Man
You have shown very clearly, it seems to us, the value of the struggle that rises between the flesh and the spirit, so that we can believe we have grasped it in some sort of way. So we want this also explained to us in the same way: what is the difference between the carnal man and the natural man, and how can the natural man be worse than the carnal?